DEAN AND DAWES: Date Dust Up

Show notes

Guest: Durgan from Queens

Hosted by: Jackie Dawes and Timothy Gager

1)     Modern Dating-How AI influences dating

2)     Jackie had member of REMs Golf Clubs

3)     Mark Manson’s AI Dating Advice

4)     More Doctor Bashing

5)     Listener Feedback

6)     Volume problems of Episode 6 should be fixed

7)     App Time-The Exes App

 Jackie Dawes is a Teacher, writer, ADHD survivor, Imposter …somewhere Ms. Kursman is laughing hysterically.

Timothy “Dean” Gager has published 20 books of fiction and poetry, which includes his latest novel, The Shadows of the Seen, forthcoming with Pierian Springs Press in 2025. He hosted the successful Dire Literary Series in Cambridge, MA from 2001 to 2018, and started a weekly virtual series in 2020. He has had over 1000 works of fiction and poetry published, 18 nominations for the Pushcart Prize. His work also has been nominated twice for a Massachusetts Book Award, The Best of the Web, The Best Small Fictions Anthology and has been read on National Public Radio. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey everyone, this is Brian O'Neill here in beautiful Florida Keys, and you're listening to the two Deans, Dating, Dread, and Disasters. What I really want to ask you all is when's the last time you had a date in this town?

SPEAKER_00 0:11

The polling podcast are the opinions and satire of Dean.

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And Dean. And maybe some truth.

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And in no way represents the opinions. And lack of satire of anyone else but ourselves.

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But the people might be true. The story you're about to hear is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. Well, hello. Good evening. Good evening, Jackie.

SPEAKER_05 1:04

Good evening, Tim. How are things?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Things are fine because of our production snafu. All you're seeing is my eyeball. I'm right up to the camera and close to the microphone, so no one can see this at home. Maybe when we do the teaser, you'll see it.

SPEAKER_05 1:20

They think they'll see it in the teaser, perhaps.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Yeah.

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And I'll I'll put my eyeball up to your eyeball, and then we'll both look like we're doing this weird eyeball thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah, and then we can get the Seinfeld actress to put her eyeball up to the screen, and then we'll have an eyeball thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:34

Oh, I have I've got to call Pat. I'm so far behind in all my life. Oh my god. Okay, Pat, if you ever listen to this, um, I'm gonna call you.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Okay. So we've got some stuff to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 1:45

Oh, real stuff. What would you like to talk about?

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Real, serious, serious debut modern dating. Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 1:52

Okay, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Well, so we had our fake app. Oh, here's some feedback. Someone actually thought our someone thought our fake apps were real.

SPEAKER_05 2:02

Oh, I love them.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

They were like, did you make like did you make money off those apps? Like, maybe you can do an advertisement for your apps. As if we have 59 apps.

SPEAKER_05 2:14

You're supposed to be making the apps. We're just giving you the great ideas.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

There's 59 of them.

SPEAKER_05 2:20

Wow, that's a lot of work you've put into these apps, dude.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, it's really hard. It's hard to come up with them. So last last week the app was the AI app where you don't have to do anything, right?

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Yeah. It's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Which which made me think of like, how is AI? I was thinking like, does this exist already and how AI has influenced dating?

SPEAKER_05 2:41

And what have you learned?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

So I I used AI to ask it a question. I said, what is modern dating? Do you want to hear what AI came up with?

SPEAKER_05 2:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Modern dating is characterized by heavy app usage. Hey, apps, there we go. That's true, but coming soon, the Animal Noise app. Leading to high choice fatigue situationships and burnout. Situationships.

SPEAKER_05 3:16

So even A9 knows, even AI knows that this app thing is impossible, that this cannot be how we meet the people in our lives. And it's not even harder than that.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

It doesn't really it doesn't lead to relationships, it relates to situations.

SPEAKER_05 3:31

No, no, I think it does lead to relationships somehow, but I still think they're sucky and stupid relationships.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

So and well, maybe it's actually Mike the situation from Jersey Shore. It could lead to him. Hey, the situation, Jersey Shore.

SPEAKER_05 3:46

I don't like it when people make names like that. Ms.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Pump, the situation.

SPEAKER_05 3:52

Dumb, dumb name situation. If you listen to this, which you probably don't, fucking fix your name.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Do you want to hear the rest of the AI definition about modern dating?

SPEAKER_05 4:04

Um, does it get better?

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Oh no, it gets worse. It makes you want to like an app and kill yourself.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

No, I don't want to hear it, but let's hear it. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

So it leads to high choice fatigue, situationships, and burnout. While offering unprecedented access to potential partners, it often prioritizes instant chemistry over long-term compatibility, causing insecurity and loneliness. Boy, that just that totally jumped the shark.

SPEAKER_05 4:37

I think it's letting us know that it's not a good plan. That we should get off of these apps and we should all you know just go to a bar again.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

What are we doing?

SPEAKER_05 4:46

It's like go listen to some music. Go meet somebody at at where you listen to music.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

It's like the dog chasing its tail app. Like you're lonely, so you join an app and it makes you more lonely.

SPEAKER_05 4:56

It makes you more lonely. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

It was it's kind of like the situation the other day. Like my it was my father's birthday and he passed a couple years ago in his 90s.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

That's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

And don't you don't you just hate it when people say, if my dad was alive today, he'd be 107. So I I told somebody, I said, if my dad was alive today, he'd be dead.

SPEAKER_05 5:18

Which is Well I have to say, I I know that I would do that. I I I know that I would do that.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

What's the cutoff? He'd be 125, he'd be 150.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

No cutoff. You'll all because they're with you. When someone dies and they're like a father, that when there's somebody connected to you, they're always there. They're always connected to you. So you're always gonna think about it in this weird time frame.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

I mean, mine had dementia, so it'd be like if my dad was alive today, he'd have full-blown Alzheimer's. Like, like, let's let's be real here. Let's be real.

SPEAKER_05 5:50

Well, I think that the point in in dreaming that and going, you know, they'd be this age. I think it's just giving them a view, a perspective of wow. So maybe a connection with them. I don't know. I like that they do it.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

So maybe back to dating apps. If my date were alive today, hmm, we'd be married. Anyway, the end of the definition is the landscape is shifting toward intentional, slow dating to combat this.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

And how does how do we do that, AI? How do we get that done?

SPEAKER_01 6:24

We basically we text forever. Intentional slow date. Do we go we go back to like first date, um, nothing, second date, holding hands, maybe arm around each other, third date kiss, fourth date, my favorite term, heavy petting, and the fifth date. You know, is that is that a slow intentional dating? Is that are we combating it?

SPEAKER_05 6:51

I I I feel like the apps are just simply the way of meeting each other. So if you're going to change the the way of meeting each other, I mean that's what needs to change. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

How about we have five apps? So the first app is just people you want to like have coffee with the second app is for people you want to hold hands with. We make it a graduated app.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

You know what I've been seeing on apps uh is this thing called over fifties let's and it's not meet ups, but it's people who people who eat dinner or something.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

It's a Yeah, they eat dinner together.

SPEAKER_05 7:26

And it's just five strangers put together based on their interest and stuff, and there's not dating is not implied at all. You're just meeting and socializing with other grown-ups you in your age bracket because it's good for your health to be social and it's good to get out, and so they're doing it this way, and then if you meet somebody like that way and you want to date them, it's almost organic.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

So we can talk about like at dinner, we can talk about how we're allergic to gluten and lactose and are having our colonoscopies next week.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

Like this, I it it doesn't it doesn't necessarily matter. I don't know how they choose the five people that you that you get put together with, but you hopefully are put together there because you have interest. I mean, if you list my colonoscopy as an interest, then yes, you're going to have five other people talk to you about this. And by the way, we can match whenever a friend of mine has to come up to do one of those, I'm always like, don't worry, the prep's not bad. Oh, the prep's the worst part. It's not as bad as you think. It's so much better to know. Anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Maybe an app that can match the person getting the colonoscopy with the person that's doing the colonoscopy.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

Oh no, that would be a doctor. I have a feeling that would be a doctor.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

We have a way we have listener feedback about doctors, but not yet. We're gonna jump to that.

SPEAKER_05 8:45

Uh let's I'll be can't wait to hear that. But what I was thinking is that those dinner meetups are like, hey, where are you guys going tonight? Oh, we're going to trying to think of a bar that we all went to, like Tila's on Thursday, or we all went to something else for quarter pictures on Monday nights and at the cellar, like weird things from my 90s that are popping into my head right now. Wow. Um But people did them. And you went out and you met people. And so this is a coordinated effort to get people to go out and meet people. But without the without the yuckiness of a dating.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Of a dating and swiping.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

Yeah, swipe date. It feels kind of so creepy.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

The only swiping I want to do is swiping, like if someone's got like on a date, if they have like like food on their mouth, I want to kind of swipe it with a napkin.

SPEAKER_05 9:31

Like, that reminds me of Adora the Explorer. Swiper, no swiping. Swiper, no swiping.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Because swiper wanted to be on the swiper app.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

No, because swiper would steal things.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Fucking swiper.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

And he would have to tell him that three times, and then he would not.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

Wasn't fucking swiper, wasn't it what are those the little rodent type animals? Ferrets. Ferrets steal things. So swipe is swiper a ferret?

SPEAKER_05 9:56

I think I don't remember what what he was. I just remember he was a cute little furry character on Dora the Explorer. I mean I knew to keep him from taking things that did not belong to him, you had to say, Swiper, no swiping.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

I mean, the red hot chili pepper stole my cocaine once in real life, but like somebody's ferret stole my bag of pot. Like Swiper stole my bag of pot and like hid it somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

Wow. Well, I don't I did not have that experience. I mean, I think we helped Oasis get some cocaine once, but um and I and I I think I kept Matt Mills' uh golf clubs for REM because he left them there, but I never stole anybody's stuff.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Wow, you did cocaine with Oasis and big golf.

SPEAKER_05 10:38

I did not do cocaine with but did he have a nice putter? I think Johnny I think Johnny got him a bump or something. Um uh Matt Mills' golf clubs? I don't know. They sat in my stupid car for a month and a half until we could find him, but nobody stole anything.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Okay. So back to AI situation. Boy, we've we've we're going we're going whole water here. Yes, yes! Oh no! Overshow. All right, so I ran to this guy online. His name is Mark Manson, not Marilyn, not Charles. Not not related, and he's talking about what to do to not join a dating app.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Get this. This is like he's making money on this. In fact, he came up with this using AI because he has developed, actually, he's developed, he he does an AI mentoring app for like self-improvement. So he does that one. So his dating AI suggestion is you ready for this? A. Make yourself more attractive. Hello, Captain Obvious.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

What is that?

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Hold on, hold on, Mark Manson.

SPEAKER_05 11:49

I don't know if I understand what I understand what that means.

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So if you want to date without an app, make yourself more attractive.

SPEAKER_05 11:56

Like, that's like a like I think Mark Manson and I need to have a little talk. But all right, keep going. Let's hear some more of these things.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Second one, you ready for this one? Like, if you follow the second one, you wouldn't have a problem. The second one is date the right people. Yo.

SPEAKER_05 12:14

These suggestions are complicated for me. Okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

And the third suggestion is this is the actually the only one I found that's workable. Establish boundaries.

SPEAKER_05 12:24

Ah now, Mark, I really am dying to know what when he says date the right people. Like, what are you what are you talking about? Like, am I dating the right? What am I date the right people based on?

SPEAKER_01 12:35

The way the way I look at it is like if it didn't work out, you've dated the wrong people.

SPEAKER_05 12:40

So if you've only dated the wrong people.

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So you wouldn't have a problem. Damn it.

SPEAKER_05 12:46

Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Rinka. I have to make myself more attractive and I need to find the right people. Boy. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

It sounds so it's so easy.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

Well, I'm glad Mark's got it figured out.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Alright, so uh listener feedback.

SPEAKER_05 13:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

This one's from a doctor who says, You guys bash on doctors all the time. Not all doctors are bad. Well, you dated some doctors that were weren't the greatest.

SPEAKER_05 13:16

I wrote a book about it.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

So yeah, I'm And Dean was chased around the room by a doctor at a holiday party.

SPEAKER_05 13:23

That's terrible. I can tell you, doctors are usually narcissistic hero complex. No, I I really don't know. You're jaded against doctors. I I I am I think I am jaded against doctors, but I also don't go around saying that all doctors are bad. I would not recommend anyone date a doctor.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

How about a how about a sweet, sweet doctor that will do a very gentle colonoscopy? That's perfect. Or a podiatrist that rubs your feet.

SPEAKER_05 13:57

Oh, oh no. None of those sound good too.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Or an eye doctor that gives you free glasses.

SPEAKER_05 14:05

Um, no, I don't I I really ooh, a plastic surgeon. Free plastic surgery sounds great.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Or Botox doctor that doesn't push the for the forehead shot that causes.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

It's more of a nurse practitioner thing nowadays.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

So okay. So they were okay then.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

Yeah, they're okay. We like nurse practitioners.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yeah, good. So you haven't have you dated a nurse practitioner?

SPEAKER_05 14:31

Hmm. I don't even think I fooled around with one.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

See, that's why you like them. Date the right people.

SPEAKER_05 14:38

I don't think I've even dated I know. I I've never dated a nurse, nor have I ever fooled around with a nurse.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Letter B. Date the right people. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

Yeah, I really need to talk to Mark about this. Mark, I've got some questions.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Alright, so the gentleman in my office that gives me feedback every week doesn't like it when we go off-brand. So the gun episode that we had it's not Yeah, it was not a date, so he didn't like it. Wow. Oh we do all the time.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

It wasn't a date?

SPEAKER_01 15:15

You know what it's it was innocent enough to be a date because they were 17 and 14. So the fact that there was a gun involved.

SPEAKER_05 15:22

They were dating, but it wasn't a quote unquote date. It was a little young. Okay, it was off brand, but it was an interesting story.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Our brand is our brand.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

And I think that other people who had crazy teenage because I was thinking about the time that Jason was on the porch crying and leaving me a crazy, crazy letter that was the most hilarious. I think it might have been the most hilarious love letter I ever have ever. I'll have to think about that. But it it sparked memories in me. So you gotta read it on the show and others of our listeners.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Read the love letter on the show?

SPEAKER_05 15:54

Oh, I think I can remember it. It was it it was Jackie. I'm an asshole. A peehole, a fuck face. Like he just kept calling him Play.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

All of these horrendous names, and at the end of it, but I love you, and I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

And it was cut and he cut out a construction heart. It was a construction paper red heart, and he had put I mean he put a lot of effort in calling himself a peehole, and it was just so funny.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Did he make a construction paper peehole? That would have been funny.

SPEAKER_05 16:30

There was no, no, but it just made me laugh. He was a very funny human and he could make you laugh out loud. So it worked. I wasn't mad at him after that, I suppose.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Yeah, the last listener feedback is my fault, and I'm gonna fix it. I'm going to actually re re-edit the show, the show that just came out uh two weeks ago. The production was bad. That's why I'm I'm way up close to my microphone tonight. So uh the production was bad. It was my I was lost in the mix. And when I mix it in my laptop at home, I don't hear the difference. And when it shows up on my radio, there's we get a volume issue that when I'm talking, I had to turn the volume up, and then like somebody, the guest or you Jackie would be would blast in there because the volume was up all the way.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

So I sounded super loud.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Well, only either no, you didn't. But if you don't, but if you didn't sound loud, I wasn't heard at all. So that's the problem. And I think I can I think I can balance and equalize it, but that's my problem. So if you had a problem with that episode, just listen to it again, maybe in a week.

SPEAKER_05 17:34

Aww.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

And speaking of episodes and regular stuff, if I can get to it, here we go. Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 17:47

Oh, not again.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Here we go. Oh Here we don't go. You know what happens, and I don't learn each time. What happens is that um the uh the uh the sound bite was is on my screen and then it just disappears.

SPEAKER_05 18:06

It just every week it's the same one, so I think we should ever say maybe we should open the show with it. You go, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

And then here we go. Here we go!

SPEAKER_04 18:24

Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Here we go! It's app time.

SPEAKER_04 18:28

Here we go now. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Oh, wow. Alright, so uh here's the app. It's called X's app. So you have to post a picture of you and an ex on the app so that way people that want to date you can kind of see who you prefer or who you don't prefer. You can actually ask questions and you can chat with them being like, why are they an ex? Because generally one of the biggest drags on a first date is when people start talking about their exes. So he will get it out of the way, be like, I liked her a lot. I thought she was pretty, then they kind of know what your preference is, but she was an asshole because she did this, she did this. So it's a good way to kind of break the ice in that way. What do you think?

SPEAKER_05 19:12

Hmm, well, I I kind of like the idea. I like it when I'm on a date and the person talks about their ex because I feel like it gives me a lot of information about who they are as a human. You can really judge a person based on how they talk about their ex. We're not supposed to judge, but I mean, evaluate. Uh you can tell a lot about a person from the way they talk about their ex. So I like it when they tell me stories about their ex, but I can see why other people would be bored. I don't know. I like it. Or get insulted.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Hey, I'm right here. I'm right here.

SPEAKER_05 19:45

Oh, yeah. But here's the thing. I've actually been in my last boyfriend, he was so insulted by my exes. He was like, You liked this guy? And so mean. I love this guy.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Oh, that's a guy move.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

It was but he did it two or three times. He like literally sent spammed me pictures of my exes that he had found, going, This guy?

SPEAKER_01 20:05

That's a guy. That's a guy move, but it's usually when you're currently dating someone, they're saying, Oh I was currently dating.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

Oh, I see. You're saying you're date you are dating this guy. No, no. He was like, I think he didn't like being categorized in the same, you know, he didn't want to be placed in the same group of people, people I've dated, and he thinks these guys aren't up to standards, so he doesn't want to be in that that oh, I would I would drop that guy immediately. Yeah, he's mean. If he's listening to this, you are mean.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:37

Mean boy. So yeah, so like he was really good at a few things. Anyhow, continue.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Yeah, well, what's the song? I used to love her, but I had to kill her. Is that uh Guns and Roses?

SPEAKER_05 20:47

Yeah, that's a song.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Guns and Roses?

SPEAKER_05 20:50

Uh it might be. And then she's six feet under, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Yeah, so if you had to do that, if if you were dating the Guns N' Roses, if you're dating Axel Rose, if he said that, like that's that's a no-go.

SPEAKER_05 21:04

Yeah, I don't I don't think I would ever date Axel Rose.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

So we've got a return guest. We're gonna ask her to come on now. And it's it's from season one. Um and uh it is Durgen from Queens, and Durgen is going totally anonymous, uh, which allows our guests to come up and not be seen. This is a fake name, uh Durgen. Welcome, Durgen.

SPEAKER_05 21:35

And an avaty and an avatar. Yeah, but you got a great accent. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

She could be anyone from Queens, though.

SPEAKER_05 21:44

She could be anyone from Queens. I could be anyone from Queens.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

All right, so tell us about so you went on a date in Big Bad New York. So tell me, tell me us about that date.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

Okay, so this was this was a long time ago. So this was before apps. Okay, so this was like, yeah, this was before apps. Right, exactly. You had to call people? What? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You had to call people. You actually had to meet people in places. You had to get together with friends.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

You had to Oh, that's bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Yeah, you had to call them up. You had to decide beforehand where you were going. If you didn't, you know, live near them, you had to decide how you were getting there on your own. Got it. And meet up with them in a place. And so I met this guy at a let's get acquainted dance.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Oh, how sweet.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

It's kind of like Manhattan, in Manhattan. Was he a good dancer? You know, I don't think I ever danced with him, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

So it was just a let's get acquainted. There was no dancing.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

It was like a series of parties. It was like now I mean I like that. Yeah, it was like, you know, like Eventbrite puts out, you know, like you get Eventbrite now, and you know, that idea. Yeah, you know, you'll see like people like meet up groups and stuff, and there'll be parties. This was like that kind of thing then.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Did it lead to Did it lead to intentionally slow dating to combat loneliness?

SPEAKER_03 23:15

He's going back to that definition. It led to me marrying him. He was my first husband. Oh, but tell us about the date.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Okay, so we were this was before this was before we got married. So he was a cool guy. He was good looking. He was, you know, accountant, uh, rising up the corporate ladder, Republican slant. And you know, I didn't know anything then, so I followed his suit in terms of like what I would vote for and this and that.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Did he vote for Nixon?

SPEAKER_03 23:43

At that time, it was Reagan.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Okay. So um I would accept Reagan. I mean, now I gotta tell you it's seriously. And we were in New York, he was living in New York, he was living up by like Columbus Circle, and um so we started to date, and he was really and you know, he was cool.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

It was like we got into smoking angel dust, and so nice, you got a lot in common, king of the road, top of the dust.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

This is an angel dust story, and all right, so New York that turned like oh my god, I can't believe this happened on Sixth Avenue. So that's what this is. That's a movie, yeah. So um, so we got into smoking Angel Dust, and the first time was like a whole nother story I can tell you, which was really good. It was like my own story.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

It's like, you know, I it was a good date on Angel Dust.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Oh, yeah, no, it was a great out-of-body experience I had. I must tell. I wrote about it. I and um anyway, so okay, so we smoked, and you know, we were all dressed up. We were going to, I think, like a show, maybe Radio City. Oh, how fun. You know, he's like in his overcoat and his work suit, and I was dressed, I was like in, you know, guess a dress, yeah. You know, it was 197 uh six, seven, six.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Yeah, because these days people don't pre-game with angel dust.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Yeah, no, exactly. People don't pre-game with angel dust, no, not for anything.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

I don't think unless the date is like thinking you can fly and jumping off the street.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

I think you can even find angel dust anymore.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

And so I can make it. I I can I got I got fertilizer, I can sprinkle on your pot.

SPEAKER_05 25:31

No, no, no, no, no. Keep going. So you're doing this.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

And and so we and the thing is, no, now that I'm thinking about it, wait a minute. No, we weren't living in the city.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

Oh, just all right. So you went to the house.

SPEAKER_03 25:43

By then we were in New Jersey, so we had to come over the bridge, we had to come over the bridge tie on angel dust. Oh my god, oh my god, so and we were smoking it. So so by the time we got to New York, he was we were high as a kite, but he must have been higher than me because we started walking down Sixth Avenue, and all I know is he had a stop, and he really had a stop, he had to stop and sit down.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

So wait, he sat down on Sixth Avenue, and Sixth Avenue is a very busy street in New York, so he and as a former New Yorker, I have to ask you, sixth and what?

SPEAKER_04 26:28

Like 58th. Oh my.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

And so he sat there. Was it like catatonic?

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Yeah, something like that. I mean, here we are, it's it's an office building. It might have been Simon and Schuster or something, like one of those Sixth Avenue office buildings, and we're in the back because you know the front like flanks Fifth Avenue, yeah, and so we're like, you know, as if we were just gonna go into the building, into the lobby, but yeah, just like sit down and you know, where the glass meets the wall.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Were the were the were the fine people of New York concerned? Did they stop and help?

SPEAKER_03 27:09

New York is New York, they don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

They just walked past, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:15

They got things to do. Absolutely. I mean, this is like six o'clock at night, something.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

He could have put a cup in his hand and maybe earned some money.

SPEAKER_05 27:25

But the date, I mean, how did it progress?

SPEAKER_03 27:28

What do we do now? It doesn't stop there. He not only had to sit down, he had to lay down.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

And the lamb lies down on Broadway.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

So he's laying down on 6th and 58th, and he's are you at the corner or are you just laying in front of the glass building? He's just laying down.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

And people are stepping over him and stuff. Excuse me, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

He's catatonic. And what are you doing? Why is this happening? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 28:02

I'm like, I knew it was from the angel dust, so I just did you like bring them down?

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Do you stroke them to like anything? Everything's okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

What are you gonna say when the cop comes over? No cop came over.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Oh no, the cops don't care about that 70s in New York, unless you had a gun in your hand.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

It would have been 80s, early 80s. We were too well dressed. I mean Oh, I see. We would do well dressed. I mean, it was just like I think it was obvious. It's like maybe we're a little high and too well dressed.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

So how so did he recover, obviously?

SPEAKER_03 28:42

He recovered.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

He stood up eventually.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Absolutely, and we went on our way, and you made it to the show? I don't think we made it to the show. What did you do then? We just went on our way. I don't remember it like that. She doesn't have I don't remember anything. I was high myself.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

Oh my goodness. Driving over the bridge. Nice to drive back in that. Oh my god. Right, we had to go back over the bridge.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Did he maybe had maybe he had to stop on the bridge and lie down in the car?

SPEAKER_05 29:19

Oh my god. And you married this man!

SPEAKER_01 29:23

I hope he got over his angel dust problem. Well, you married him.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Did everybody get over their angel dust problems? Um, yeah, I think that was the last time I did angel dust. I probably did it twice.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

He could have done angel dust on your wedding day. He could have been lying down on the altar.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 29:42

All right, Durgan. Thank you so much. Thank you for your story. You're welcome. I'm glad you weren't arrested.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

All right, Durgen. Good talking to you.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

It's nice being here. Thank you. Thank you for coming. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

That's a good one. That's a good one, Jackie. What do you think?

SPEAKER_05 30:00

I think, I think, I don't know. I uh being a person who never did angel dust, I think I'm too boring.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

So let me tell you about New Yorkers. And this is this is recent. You ever like walk by a curb and kind of stub your toe on your way, walking with the company, and it makes it trips you up?

SPEAKER_05 30:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So I was in New York and that happened. It wasn't super busy, but it was so ridiculous. I kind of like stayed down for a second. I just was kind of laughing. I was laughing at myself. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And this I thought this woman was gonna like try to help me up. She walks by me and says, What's wrong with you?

SPEAKER_05 30:39

Yeah, I don't like it when people when you trip and fall or whatever, and you're laughing to yourself because you know it's hilarious, and then you look around you and nobody else is laughing and enjoying the moment with you. So you just feel foolish instead of like ha ha ha ha, you're like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:58

That's not nice. I don't like that. That's terrible. New York.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Yeah, I think I think angel dust in moderation.

SPEAKER_05 31:06

Moderation.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

You gotta do your angel dust.

SPEAKER_05 31:09

That's the ticket.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Social smoking. You gotta bring it up.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

Or just don't go over the bridge. If you're gonna do it, just it's a stay-at-home kind of drug.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Yeah, you know, you can stay at home, you can lie on the sofa in Jersey. You don't have to lie on Sixth Avenue.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

You don't have to cross the bridge. That's just a lot to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Yeah, it's not like you know, angel dust isn't available at your locality.

SPEAKER_05 31:30

I don't think anyone does angel dust anymore, though. I think we're I think we're past angel dust now.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

I'm basically angel dust for you younger listeners, um, stuff like this is a little more prevalent and socially acceptable than it is now. But what angel dust is, is somebody sprays any given chemical on your marijuana. It could be like oven cleaner, it could be it could be anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 31:54

We are not suggesting that anyone does.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

We're not, but it creates this weird high that's different because you're killing, besides getting high, you're killing brain cells, and sometimes it leads to really paranoia, like violent behavior. It can be really messed up.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

No, it's basically someone has laced your drug. Yeah, it's a laced drug that you probably shouldn't be taking, anyways. But yeah, I the last time I encountered such a thing like that, it wasn't even me, my husband at the time.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Oh, all these ex-husbands with angel dust.

SPEAKER_05 32:26

Oh my god, we well, he w he yeah, he's my ex-husband now. But at the time, somebody was passing around a joint and it was New Year's Eve, and he was just like, Hey, you want some? I was like, No, of course not. And he was like, All right, and he took some and immediately got sick. Immediately, like he's like, We gotta go. And I go, Oh, what's wrong? And he goes, I just I'm sick, I gotta go, gotta go. And he had to lay down in the cab and he had to lay down in the cab. We get back to the hotel and he's laying down sick. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Did they know did did does this person know Durgen? Perhaps the same guy.

SPEAKER_05 33:01

I'm telling you, I go, Look, I think your friend had something more than weed in that. And he goes, No, my friend would never. He would never do that. And I said, Yeah, I I'm pretty sure he did. And he's like, No, that's impossible. And then the next time they hang out, he comes back, he's like, You know what? Gerard had angel dust on that. Can you believe it? I was like, Yeah, yeah, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

A really good um lacing that they people used to do, and this is so unhealthy. The powder, like lawn fertilizer, the white powder, that they'd mix that.

SPEAKER_05 33:37

I mean the stuff that causes major cancer nowadays. Yeah, pretty much that you can't even sell it anymore. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

So uh also we begged for guests. Um we did. And we uh begged for a guest, we put up the thing in our Facebook group, and we got a guest for next week.

SPEAKER_05 33:54

Oh, it's even I think Melissa's gonna be joining us as well very soon.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

So, with all of this, um, besides us begging and asking people if you want to be on the show, you can email the two deans at gmail.com or that's a good one.

SPEAKER_05 34:11

Or you can email the Dean and Dawes Podcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

And you can also uh text us, uh uh uh message us on Facebook and be on the show. It's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

Yeah, it is fun, actually.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

All of our guests have fun.

SPEAKER_05 34:30

Yes, they certainly do, and they get a special prize at the end.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

They do. They they get they get a good night, Dean.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

So Okay, there's no real special prize.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

All right, let's give them a good goodnight, Dean. Everyone, good night, Dean. Good night, Dean. Bye bye.